Discourses
by Epictetus · Διατριβαί
Assigned by 2 of the 9 reading lists
Epictetus wrote nothing. These are notes taken by his student Arrian at the school in Nicopolis, four books of the eight surviving, and they read like transcripts of a teacher arguing with young men who have come for a polish rather than a cure. The subject throughout is the distinction between what is in our power and what is not, and the training needed to live by it. Epictetus was born a slave and speaks constantly of freedom, tells students their philosophy is worthless if it does not change how they behave when a lamp is stolen or a tyrant threatens, and is frequently funny.
We recommendDiscourses and Selected Writings, translated by Robert DobbinPenguin Classics, 2008A generous selection in plain modern English; the two-volume Loeb by W. A. Oldfather has the full Greek text.
Also goodcompare
- George Long. Free everywhere and the wording most older quotations use, though Dobbin is far easier to read.
- Nicholas White. Arrian's own fifteen-page summary of the Discourses, which is the fastest way to see the system whole before committing to four books.
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- Written
- c. 108 CE
- Era
- Roman Empire
- Language
- Greek
- Length
- Long · 350 pp300 to 700 pages
- Difficulty
- Moderate2 of 5 for a first-year reader
Robert Dobbin translation
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Why it's on the list
Epictetus was born a slave, was lamed by his owner or by disease, was freed, was expelled from Rome with all the other philosophers by Domitian, and set up a school in a Greek provincial town where young Romans came to acquire a polish and were told they had come to the wrong place. Nothing else in ancient philosophy sounds like these transcripts. He interrupts, mocks, imitates his students' excuses, and keeps demanding to know what difference any of it has made to how they behave. The doctrine is simple enough to state in a sentence, that some things are in our power and some are not and all suffering comes from confusing them, and the four books are about how hard it is to live by it. Marcus Aurelius was given a copy and built the Meditations out of it, and modern cognitive therapy takes its founding principle from the same place.
Key themes
- Fate and freedom
- The dichotomy of control is the whole system. Our judgements, impulses, desires and aversions are ours; body, property, reputation and office are not, and are to be treated as borrowed things that may be recalled.
- Reason and passion
- People are disturbed not by events but by their opinions about events, which is why the work is on the judgement rather than the circumstance, and why a man can be miserable in a palace and content in exile.
- Power and authority
- A former slave tells free men that they are slaves. The one who can be threatened with the loss of anything he values is owned by whoever can take it, and the tyrant's power runs exactly as far as your attachments.
- The good life
- Philosophy is treated as a hospital rather than a lecture hall. Epictetus tells students that if they leave feeling pleased with the lecture rather than uncomfortable, something has gone wrong.
Which translation to read
For Discourses the translation is most of the decision. Our pick is the Robert Dobbin translation; the others are good for different reasons.
Our pick
Discourses and Selected Writings, translated by Robert Dobbin
Penguin Classics, 2008
A generous selection in plain modern English; the two-volume Loeb by W. A. Oldfather has the full Greek text.
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Also good
The Discourses of Epictetus, with the Encheiridion and Fragments, translated by George Long
Public domain, widely reprinted, 1877
Free everywhere and the wording most older quotations use, though Dobbin is far easier to read.
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Also good
The Handbook (The Encheiridion), translated by Nicholas White
Hackett, 1983
Arrian's own fifteen-page summary of the Discourses, which is the fastest way to see the system whole before committing to four books.
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Overview
The Discourses are three hundred and fifty pages in four books, and Epictetus did not write them. Arrian, a student who later became a Roman governor and wrote a history of Alexander, took notes at the school in Nicopolis and published them, saying in a prefatory letter that he wrote down what he heard as far as possible in the man’s own words, and that they were never meant for publication.
That accounts for everything unusual about the book. The register is spoken, not written. Epictetus addresses individuals in the room, answers questions we do not hear, breaks off, tells stories, and does imitations of his own students protesting. There are jokes, and there is a running note of exasperation.
Eight books existed and four survive. Arrian also produced the Encheiridion, a fifteen-page handbook of the essentials, which is the most read Stoic text and which people have carried in a pocket for eighteen centuries.
The life is not incidental. Epictetus was a slave in Rome, in the household of Epaphroditus, a freedman who had himself been Nero’s secretary. He was permitted to study philosophy. He was lame, and the ancient report that his master broke his leg may or may not be true. Freed after Nero’s death, he taught in Rome until Domitian expelled the philosophers around 93 CE, then moved to Nicopolis on the Greek coast and taught there for the rest of his life, in poverty, with a lamp and a rush mat.
The argument
The dichotomy of control. Everything begins here and the Encheiridion opens with it. Some things are up to us: our judgements, our impulses, our desires and aversions, in short our own acts. Some things are not: the body, property, reputation, office, in short everything that is not our own act.
The things in our power are by nature free and unhindered. The things not in our power are weak, slavish and belong to others. And the single source of misery is confusing the two. If you treat what belongs to others as your own you will be thwarted, grieved and disturbed and will blame gods and men; if you treat only what is yours as yours, no one will compel you, no one will hinder you, you will blame nobody, and nobody will harm you.
Epictetus is uncompromising about how far this goes. Your body is not yours. Your child is not yours; when you kiss a child, remind yourself that it is human and may be gone tomorrow. This is hard to read and he knows it, and he does not soften it.
Judgements, not events. The corollary is the sentence that founded a therapeutic tradition: people are disturbed not by things but by their opinions about things. Death is not terrible, since Socrates did not find it so; the terror lies in the judgement that it is terrible. The work of philosophy is therefore on the judgement, since the event is not available for revision.
Wanting what happens. The positive instruction follows. Do not seek that things should happen as you wish; wish that things should happen as they do, and your life will go smoothly. This is easily mistaken for passivity and Epictetus blocks that reading throughout: you act, you plan, you take the field, and you do not attach your peace of mind to the outcome. His image is the archer who aims with all his skill and does not control the wind.
Roles. You are an actor in a play whose length and casting are chosen by someone else. Your business is to play well the part you are given; to choose the part is another’s. It sounds fatalistic and functions as the opposite, because it moves all the attention onto performance.
The training. The most distinctive thing in the Discourses is how practical they are. Philosophy is not a body of doctrine to be recited but a discipline to be trained, in three fields: desire and aversion, so that you want only what is available; impulse to act, so that you fulfil your roles; and assent, so that you are not deceived by impressions. Epictetus keeps demanding evidence of progress. He asks what a student does when the lamp is stolen, when a ship is delayed, when a friend dies, when the emperor sends for him, and he says the sheep does not bring its fodder to the shepherd to show how much it has eaten but digests it and produces wool.
He is savage about students who treat the school as a finishing course. You have come here to learn to argue syllogisms, he says, and you cannot bear your brother’s temper. He compares a lecture room that leaves people pleased with themselves to a hospital where patients come out delighted.
Freedom. The theme a former slave returns to constantly. Freedom is not a legal status; it is not being able to be thwarted. Whoever can give you or take from you what you value is your master, so a man who wants nothing that another can control cannot be coerced. Chain my leg, he says, but not even Zeus can overcome my will. The tyrant may kill him and cannot compel him.
How to read it
Read the Encheiridion first, entire. It is fifteen pages, it takes thirty minutes, and it contains the system. Then go to the Discourses for the texture.
Then read selectively rather than straight through. Book I chapters 1, 6, 9, 11 and 29, and Book II chapters 5 and 18, and Book IV chapter 1, which is the great essay on freedom, will give you the range.
Read it as speech. Hearing the tone, which is frequently that of a man losing patience, changes the doctrine from a set of austere propositions into something closer to a coach shouting.
Take the hard passages at full strength before deciding about them. The instruction to remind yourself when you embrace your child that it is mortal is not softened anywhere, and readers who translate it into something gentler are reading a different book.
Test it against the obvious objection. Is it true that nothing outside our control matters? Epictetus is committed to saying that a man on the rack whose judgements are sound is doing well. Whether that is heroic, consoling or a description of a kind of numbness is the question, and it is the same question the Stoics faced in antiquity.
Read Marcus Aurelius afterwards. He was handed a copy of these by his teacher, quotes Epictetus more than anyone else, and the Meditations are what the doctrine looks like when someone with absolute power is trying to hold to it.
Questions it raises
- Is the dichotomy of control accurate? A great deal that matters, health, the safety of the people you love, lies in between.
- If only judgements are up to us, is anything outside genuinely bad, and what follows for someone responding to injustice?
- Epictetus says wish that things happen as they do. How is that compatible with trying to change anything?
- A former slave tells free men they are slaves. Is that a profound redefinition, or does it risk making actual slavery a matter of indifference?
- Philosophy is meant to hurt, like a hospital. Is discomfort a reliable sign that it is working?
- The consolation on offer requires detaching from outcomes, including the lives of your children. Is that wisdom, and is it available to anyone who has not lost the attachment already?
Highlights
Of things some are in our power, and others are not. In our power are opinion, movement towards a thing, desire, aversion; and in a word, whatever are our own acts. Not in our power are the body, property, reputation, offices, and in a word, whatever are not our own acts.
Men are disturbed not by the things which happen, but by the opinions about the things.
Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish; but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have a tranquil flow of life.
If you wish to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid with regard to external things.
You are a little soul carrying around a corpse.
Paraphrase of a remark Marcus Aurelius quotes as Epictetus', which states the Stoic attitude to the body more bluntly than anything in the Discourses themselves.


