The Debate between Sieyès and Paine
by Emmanuel Joseph Sieyès and Thomas Paine
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A brief exchange in the Paris press in July 1791, after Louis XVI's flight to Varennes. Thomas Paine, in Le Républicain and the Moniteur, argued that the king's flight had abolished the monarchy and that France should become a republic. The Abbé Sieyès replied that he preferred monarchy, understood as government by a single responsible executive, to the republic's committee of executives, and that either could be representative. Paine's rejoinder insisted that hereditary rule of any kind was incompatible with representation.
We recommendPolitical Writings, translated by Michael SonenscherHackett, 2003Sonenscher's Sieyès volume prints the exchange with Paine alongside What Is the Third Estate?
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- Written
- 1791
- Form
- Political theory
- Language
- French
- Length
- Short · 15 ppunder 120 pages
- Difficulty
- Moderate2 of 5 for a first-year reader
Why it's on the list
Paine's argument that Louis XVI's flight to Varennes had already abolished the monarchy treats a king's own attempted abandonment of his post as forfeiting whatever legitimacy that office originally claimed, a genuinely radical reading of political events as themselves capable of dissolving institutional authority regardless of formal legal process. Sieyès's reply that he preferred monarchy, understood specifically as government by a single responsible executive, to a republic's committee of executives complicates any simple opposition between monarchist and republican positions, revealing genuine functional considerations about executive accountability cutting across the more familiar ideological line. Sieyès's further claim that either monarchy or republic could be representative separates the question of representation from the specific question of how many executives a government should have, a genuinely important conceptual distinction most contemporary political debate had collapsed into a single unified choice. Paine's rejoinder insisting hereditary rule of any kind was incompatible with representation draws the debate's sharpest line, treating heredity itself, rather than the number of executives, as representative government's actual disqualifying condition.
Key themes
- Power and authority
- Paine's argument that Louis XVI's flight to Varennes had already abolished the monarchy treats a king's own attempted abandonment of his post as forfeiting whatever legitimacy that office originally claimed, political events themselves dissolving authority.
- Liberty and rights
- Paine's rejoinder insisting hereditary rule of any kind was incompatible with representation draws the debate's sharpest line, treating heredity itself, rather than the number of executives, as representative government's actual disqualifying condition.
- Society and the state
- Sieyès's reply that he preferred monarchy, understood as government by a single responsible executive, to a republic's committee of executives complicates any simple opposition between monarchist and republican positions on functional grounds.
- Justice
- Sieyès's claim that either monarchy or republic could be representative separates the question of representation from the specific question of how many executives a government should have, a genuinely important conceptual distinction.
Which translation to read
Our pick
Political Writings, translated by Michael Sonenscher
Hackett, 2003
Sonenscher's Sieyès volume prints the exchange with Paine alongside What Is the Third Estate?
Amazon: the Michael Sonenscher translation, opens in a new tabBookshop.org: the Michael Sonenscher translation, opens in a new tab
Overview
About fifteen pages, a brief exchange in the Paris press in July 1791, after Louis XVI’s flight to Varennes. Thomas Paine, in Le Républicain and the Moniteur, argued that the king’s flight had abolished the monarchy and that France should become a republic. The Abbé Sieyès replied that he preferred monarchy, understood as government by a single responsible executive, to the republic’s committee of executives, and that either could be representative.
Paine’s rejoinder insisted that hereditary rule of any kind was incompatible with representation.
What happens
The flight to Varennes. Louis XVI’s flight to Varennes in June 1791 creates the immediate political crisis occasioning this brief but consequential exchange between two major revolutionary-era political theorists.
Paine’s argument for abolition. Thomas Paine argues in the Parisian press that the king’s flight had already abolished the monarchy, treating this attempted abandonment as itself forfeiting whatever legitimacy the office had previously claimed.
Paine calls for a republic. Paine argues that France should become a republic in the monarchy’s place, drawing the practical political conclusion from his argument about the king’s self-forfeited legitimacy.
Sieyès’s preference for single executive. The Abbé Sieyès replies that he prefers monarchy, understood specifically as government by a single responsible executive, over a republic’s committee of executives, on functional rather than purely ideological grounds.
Separating representation from executive structure. Sieyès argues that either monarchy or republic could be representative, separating the question of genuine representation from the specific question of how many executives a government should actually have.
Paine’s rejoinder on heredity. Paine’s rejoinder insists that hereditary rule of any kind remains incompatible with representation, sharpening the debate’s central disagreement to heredity itself as the actual disqualifying condition.
How to read it
Read Paine’s argument that Louis XVI’s flight to Varennes had already abolished the monarchy as treating a king’s own attempted abandonment of his post as forfeiting whatever legitimacy that office originally claimed, political events themselves dissolving authority.
Pay close attention to Sieyès’s reply that he preferred monarchy, understood as government by a single responsible executive, to a republic’s committee of executives; this complicates any simple opposition between monarchist and republican positions on functional grounds.
Notice how Sieyès’s claim that either monarchy or republic could be representative separates the question of representation from the specific question of how many executives a government should have, a genuinely important conceptual distinction.
Consider how Paine’s rejoinder insisting hereditary rule of any kind was incompatible with representation draws the debate’s sharpest line, treating heredity itself, rather than the number of executives, as representative government’s actual disqualifying condition.
Read this brief exchange alongside the Declaration of the Rights of Man to see how the same revolutionary moment’s foundational document relates to this more immediate, occasional debate about monarchy’s specific legitimacy following the king’s attempted flight.
Questions it raises
- Does Paine’s argument that the king’s flight had already abolished the monarchy successfully establish this as accomplished political fact, or does this claim depend on a contestable theory about how legitimacy can be forfeited through action rather than formal legal process?
- How persuasive is Sieyès’s distinction between representation and executive structure? Does separating these two questions successfully show that monarchy, properly understood, could remain compatible with genuine representative government?
- What does Paine’s insistence that hereditary rule specifically, rather than single executive authority generally, disqualifies representation reveal about his own underlying political principles? Does this specific focus on heredity capture his actual objection more precisely than opposition to monarchy as such?
- How should a reader weigh this brief exchange’s occasional, immediate context, responding directly to the king’s flight, against its more lasting theoretical contributions to debates about representation and executive authority?
- Given that this debate occurred in the Paris press during an active revolutionary crisis, what does its immediate publication and circulation suggest about how political theory and current events interacted during this particularly consequential historical moment?
- What does this brief exchange’s continued relevance to debates about executive structure and representative legitimacy suggest about the durability of both Paine’s and Sieyès’s specific arguments? Do these eighteenth-century positions still illuminate contemporary discussions of governmental design?
Highlights
Thomas Paine, in Le Républicain and the Moniteur, argued that the king's flight had abolished the monarchy and that France should become a republic, treating Louis XVI's own attempted abandonment of his post as forfeiting the office's legitimacy.
Paraphrase of Paine's opening contribution to the debate, arguing the king's own flight had already ended monarchical legitimacy.
The Abbé Sieyès replied that he preferred monarchy, understood as government by a single responsible executive, to the republic's committee of executives, and that either could be representative, separating representation from the number of executives.
Paraphrase of Sieyès's central counter-argument, distinguishing representative legitimacy from the specific question of executive structure.
Paine's rejoinder insisted that hereditary rule of any kind was incompatible with representation, drawing the debate's sharpest line and treating heredity itself, rather than the number of executives, as representative government's actual disqualifying condition.
Paraphrase of Paine's final response, sharpening the debate's central disagreement to heredity's specific incompatibility with representation.